tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post4249293138249006968..comments2023-08-08T04:19:26.974-07:00Comments on THE CALLADUS BLOG: Jason Fortuny - using people as thingsCalladushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17620879847877868166noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-32822253982591275032006-09-12T15:14:00.000-07:002006-09-12T15:14:00.000-07:00An object lesson in objectification. No pun intend...An object lesson in objectification. No pun intended.<br /><br />Wow. I have a somewhat uneasy relationship with technology- in some ways I'm an absolute geek (in the true sense- how many non-geeks read ArsTechnica?); in others I'm a Luddite. But I hadn't really thought about invasion of privacy on the scale Fortuny's managed to create. Scary.<br /><br />Also a reflection of the fact that, when you deal with someone as an abstraction instead of a real person- this is especially true of initial internet contacts- if you don't actually have an ethical code, or if it's in ruins like this guy's is, there is an enormous potential for exploitation.Scientiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09254279030002819459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-489717176125479082006-09-12T11:13:00.000-07:002006-09-12T11:13:00.000-07:00Hi Meeka! The answer is, maybe. I copied his Who...Hi Meeka! The answer is, maybe. I copied his Whois info on Sunday night, and did some digging in different online phone number and address databases. <br /><br />I'm more inclined to believe the Whois info would lead to Jason because it was made private in the last 12 hours or so. Why would he bother unless it is accurate?<br /><br />I guess if someone could prove he was a reporter and that he needed this info, I'd pass it on - but really Jason's info could probably be found in a thousand places online by now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-20789023873187126972006-09-12T11:09:00.000-07:002006-09-12T11:09:00.000-07:00Do you have his address and phone number?Do you have his address and phone number?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-10112517284669794802006-09-11T16:50:00.000-07:002006-09-11T16:50:00.000-07:00Anon #1 -
I'm not sure Jason broke the law. The ...Anon #1 -<br /><br />I'm not sure Jason broke the law. The Star Wars Kid incident had to deal with the theft and publishing of copyrighted property. They had a pretty firm case without the need to cite embarrassment. <br /><br />Humiliation and embarrassment usually come into play during the sentencing phase of a trial.<br /><br />As for calling his ex-employers, I wouldn't do that because I just don't care enough about the whole thing. Jason is nothing more to me than a thought-experiment on Kantian ethics. Use people as things and you deserve to get burned.<br /><br />No, I researched his personal data because I wanted to see how easy it was to do so. It was pretty darned easy, especially since he posted the info in so many places. <br /><br />Anon #2:<br />Yes, perhaps most of those people were willing to treat her like a thing. But that still does not make Jason's actions right.<br /><br />The ad and the responses don't reflect the 'mainstream' BDSM that I've read about either. I don't think those responders were respected members of the BDSM community, I think they were just fringe predators.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-35858914817730421782006-09-11T16:38:00.000-07:002006-09-11T16:38:00.000-07:00Those people who answered the ad were gonna treat ...Those people who answered the ad were gonna treat the girl like a thing. <br /><br />Jason just taught those assholes a lessonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-3118020427509214672006-09-11T16:13:00.000-07:002006-09-11T16:13:00.000-07:00Great post and spot on. Just work backwards from h...Great post and spot on. Just work backwards from his resume and start contacting his clients. Send them the link from his personal ad, ask if they find it amusing.<br /><br />Two wrongs don't make a right, but I wouldn't be surprised if this guy gets a f*ing beat-down from some of the people he scammed, especially if they end up fired or divorced. My point is that regardless of their infidelity or impropriety of posting from work (only an issue for a small percentage), they will blame Jason for making it far worse.<br /><br />And, as all Jason's "supporters" are fond of pointing out, the Internet is like a "permanent" public record. That ratchets up the stakes for anyone who feels wronged by Fortuny. <br /><br />Like the eventual resolution for the "Star Wars Kid", there will be stiff consequences for people who break the law in pulling pranks/jokes on others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-66531079600099822842006-09-11T10:42:00.000-07:002006-09-11T10:42:00.000-07:00hm. Okay. So it might not hurt his current paych...hm. Okay. So it might not hurt his current paycheck if he's just making websites for a living. <br /><br />Still, I would guess it would make it difficult for him to take larger contracts from companies that insist on working with ethical people. Some companies are sticky that way.<br /><br />I still think he's installed his own personal 'glass ceiling' into his career path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-86139776508268177782006-09-11T10:36:00.000-07:002006-09-11T10:36:00.000-07:00I don't think Jason works for a company. My impres...I don't think Jason works for a company. My impression was that he worked for himself. So he's probably not too worried about getting fired from his job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-77203028497894356512006-09-11T09:14:00.000-07:002006-09-11T09:14:00.000-07:00First, the laws of selling things are a bit differ...First, the laws of selling things are a bit different. You're supposed to get something for something, and if you don't then it isn't a sale, it's a scam.<br /><br />It doesn't matter that you pay good money and get 'crap'. Some people actually want to buy crap. (Wal-mart sells 20 pound bags of crap - great for roses!)<br /><br />If the buyer is happy with his purchase, then it doesn't matter what is sold. Even (shudder) homeopathy should stay legal. (But in my opinion it should never be marked as, or sold with medicine!)<br /><br /><br />As for preachers taking photos of license plates at an adult store, that is also immoral. The preacher is treating people as a means to pump up his own congregation. (I’m sure that could be denied by the preacher, but he can’t deny that it is a happy side-effect of his actions.) <br /><br />And if the preacher widely publishes the information that he receives, (like on the Internet) then he is even worse than Jason because he is supposed to know better.<br /><br />Lastly, when did two wrongs ever make a right? <br /><br /><br />What Jason did was scam people. He got something (the Internet notoriety he craved) for nothing. That puts him in the same category as a 419 scammer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5736821.post-24164354011252300872006-09-11T08:37:00.000-07:002006-09-11T08:37:00.000-07:00Oh my god! they sent nasty pics to a sex ad and ...Oh my god! they sent nasty pics to a sex ad and were exposed! <br /><br />it's just like a preacher takign pics of licence plates ata adult store. They get what they deserve.<br /><br />No different from selling crap to stupid people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com